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Bring in my special guests and co host today he's there on the show before and has co -- before. -- air closely here the GM of the -- an accelerator in Syria today targeted Eric amazing its -- send me here it's great to beer you know it's you've had an exciting couple weeks idea. Yeah I you know we've wrapped up our first class in the sprint accelerator and donate about thirteen hundred people attended and at the coffin forming our senator. Just a great show of support this Kansas City community heard it whispered at first -- -- dollars Beers and tax cut -- out of the demos you know. Oh -- no reason we keep hearing Max -- presentations -- top -- an -- there is really well put together on every single one of those companies don't have them. Great businesses -- and itself. It also gets a nine investments are pretty quick they're also lighter resembled after it had -- -- -- you're listening you have a munch money and dump them to us -- and implement -- Also it's even traveling a lot heaviest. Yeah I guy you know I didn't think you're making sure -- Wayman had a great opportunity to go out check out Las Vegas and Portland here recently with live Casey source what did you all serious. Besides dance on tables and well Campbell right wasn't it wasn't the Jason -- trip -- the last time buy gas no we we went in really caught up with Tony -- checked out and tell us under -- so close candidates who were on zappos and it's interesting to see a person like that he's so visionary. That's taken its concepts with his big company. And now it is it's spilling out in the streets of Las Vegas and and he's really taken the same approach said downtown project it's finished -- -- a lot of Spanish well it's it's a continual work in progress he's put in 350 million dollars of his own money we looked it up he's worth like 800 million dollar saying that's a huge capital -- for this -- And and he's invests and he's building Las Vegas up from scratch -- hustles -- around there. There downtown for a joke you know and that that startup is gonna launch actually I think this week there are certain put him out on the streets. So good -- those I don't know and Tony's head of one and his hands -- products Ashley told Dina -- concept is and he wanted to quit zappos. And Tony said. Fantastic on Alex is seen funnier start up for it and so he left the company on the vision was the violence a -- classes and make it into a car sharing program in downtown Las Vegas. And so. Tony you -- pretty using what he does this leave a face to take this very talented person he's been working with them to send an outside company. On the now he owns a piece of that company as well some real progressive thinker he did that was -- Casey you're on for a moment to Portland watch the as forty Casey. Take on the Portland -- we won. I heard there experience is pretty pretty high -- -- -- -- close so we do at -- -- he had these are -- him by far is top notch -- matter than what they have they're working in a converted ballpark but on their stand section must like our cauldron. Is in -- chains and the entire game -- it was an Intel meaner and realized. They're zero manufactured sounds and that -- like a baseball -- -- and organs and then -- Person calling them you know everything that. 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And I'm excited to bring him into the studio and in 12 for some guys you can check out all over old shows on team -- dot com. -- a link on the bright side of the page to the -- turner KC show. Where you can hear from great entrepreneur start ups CEOs and hear more about tech tech news from across country. All on the website came easy dot com you can also connect with me on Twitter at JC grill and at entrepreneur Casey. -- -- connect with -- yield up -- -- gas or things and hear things are going in Kansas City with her startups. So without further ado let's bring in John McDonald the founder of -- harboring -- be John are -- -- I'm great great to have in studio man it's it's good to see you -- and we met. The -- and good looking as he chamber Eric does days axis fronts for nurse and John spoke to our group of about fifty entrepreneurs at Denver it was awesome and from there -- I I heard all the stories John had a Sherry with our listeners because. Yes a really exciting great things on a boulevard and I think Canada origin of the company's inching as well as your background -- Let's cutting into that let's talk about. Kinda how this all happened notes are from the very -- While. Yeah that's that's the title the most interesting story though is not for her I mean you know just seemed to where you got here today we have to learn about Caroline started and a -- You know depending on how much time I have I can go back seven or 8000 years -- -- I'm there then that. You know for me I think its interest thing I was born in 1953 in -- little town in central Kansas and I didn't know within that. In that very year was an interesting time in the beer industry because the big brewers were losing market share. Two. -- malls and to a little bit of wine. To juggle lines were becoming popular. And they hired the marketing company to tell what to do. This was 1953 and of course they said. Well you the reason you guys are doing so good is that. You know you're all different men in here all -- localized. And you don't spend enough money on advertising and marketing. In the beer industry really listen to that and so by 1960. You know he had Anheuser-Busch go from. May be eight million barrels in 1960 by 1970 they were twenty million and you know twenty years later they were at a hundred million barrels of Beers so that thing really work for them you know -- a lot of money into. Less money into. The differentiation of the beer and in a fortune into selling it to Lewis right and that's really what set the stage for craft brewers like us to start as we said. Hey there's something else they can all be about. Lifestyle marketing. That really real beer drinkers -- drink real beard real spirited beer yeah and you know what. It's that workforce. You know 25 years ago and it's it's still growing incredibly fast and so I think. Exciting. When did you got to take the leap to becoming ever. That happened because. Every Tillman story about how the family and and how you got into that you know idea. You know what ecology kick you in the seventies went to art school. Traveled around South America for a couple years after I got out art school that became a carpenter in Kansas City started a little cabinet shop my dad gave me. No maybe 18100 square foot and a his building which is where the various today and I started a little cabinet -- back there in the in the 80s70s late seventies early eighties and and -- -- started home brewing tonight I think there was a lot of people to do that. I was I it's it's differed -- then than it is now in that then. No I'm not too many other people were doing it and so when you'd like when I went to try to raise money from a bank back in 8887. It was kind of like they looked at me like I was from you know had two heads -- my. Old division now it was not an easy sell. Tiny -- can imagine that I mean today just getting loans and getting capital for your company stuff alone. For -- you know craft furry back in the seventies I can't imagine -- -- it was tough but you know people believed in the in. You know went out rays may be 360000. Dollars in limited partnership shares and put a 100000 and it which is all the money and the world which is probably stupid that it all worked out that I did. When you think about the is that homogenization of the beer industry from 1953 on. I'm worth their version Kansas City that stood out so I mean is -- people their people regular test for inspiration. Well you know in some ways you know that the -- in Kansas City there were a bunch of them. Pre prohibition. Knocked out a lot of them people who realized that I think there were thirty. Three birdies in the state of -- there were 230. Birdies. In the state of Missouri between like 18100. In 1970. When the kind of the last one close. In Kansas City which would have been the Muhlbach brewery that was a pre prohibition dreary. And not the largest the largest pre -- very was -- and then and then after prohibition they reopened in thirty to 38. Down in the river market some of those buildings are still there today. And then that Muhlbach very eventually got but first by a son Miguel birdies. From Spain. In the end -- they sold it after they ran for 45 years and sold it to it actually it's. It became useless for and then down you know actually it's. Good fortune went went away from home and late sixties early seventies today course when is the. Drug -- because. You know I have my grandfather never met Eric Kia. He worked it Budweiser in Saint Louis and union guy for his entire life you know and and and we've seen. Content industry change I think a lot so can you maybe touch on that about how. The craft -- industry has changed and she started. To where it is today because. You know the bigger companies out there like the Budweiser is the world I mean they've sold in its system it's it's -- I don't know how much how much his craft -- is really count for. What's going on this country. You know it's interesting. It's not that much volume when you really look at it. But I think it's really a powerful thing the beer industry right now. You know I think. The figures -- something like seven or 8% of the total volume in the US is comes from small brewers. And when we say small we count Sam Adams which is over two million barrels Newton and so. But this if you look at. You know the AB iron or -- mean those -- an hour for ABI's like 400 million barrels. It's so it's just a huge thing and I think what's exciting to me. Excites me the most about what the craft beer industry has done is it's sort of taught us that we can. Do something small and local and it can be successful. Men and I think. You know I'm excited because I think there's all kinds of other industries that could go that way also. And I think. You know this whole globalization. Of everything. Is. Is. It's the old way of the world yet itself might think we got to figure out how to change -- That's where because like locals -- -- big lately. I mean last five years more so that I remember it but it also globalization and technology has expanded -- yeah I think local is good but local has to be good. It can't just be local. It has to be something grade because otherwise you can't compete with something global and I think one of the things it's really interesting to me right now is. You know the world is definitely two things are happening is becoming more global. But it's also people want local and to figure those two things out. Is. Going to be great thing if you configure them. Got a minute left on this segment John I'm gonna have some rapid fire questions as we get into the next segment but on. Disrobe put to LAF fifty seconds left where the next segment tell me what is your highest selling beer that you you make it boulevard. Well the biggest -- you moved here we sell is wheat Beers -- unfiltered wheat and it's also the probably. Gives us the most profitability. Having said that you know some of arsenal XX series where we sell a lot less of -- also incredibly profitable so. You know we've got a lot of brands that are doing really well right now -- and you know so. And it's interesting now because you know we're. We're partnered with the do evil people out of -- I don't know all right because that's it she now that -- -- -- that races a great example I think two of what I was just talking about about how. The world is becoming global -- yet. People want local. Experiencing lower right back and John Turner KC show with John McDonald -- founder of the bull harboring company -- Wilson. Welcome back to the doctrinaire Casey Sean chasing -- your hosts along special guest -- air -- Slater from these -- are Erica -- Do and wonderful where you know summertime my fair topic here I almost saying I was maybe expecting a sample or some. Now are LA I -- -- early in mind go there at the bottom of the fourth of July. That's. John -- welcome back to GS CDO when -- get into kind of the growth of boulevard bring company we've been over account of the history in the origins. On how you can decide to do it. Let's talk about how I grew in the in the ninety's and into the 2000 and how that on happened because you need a lot of people do to help you without doing it. It's true it's true laughed when I first started the very you know we had two small little tanks and their two for manners and and I only when have -- done you know I don't know if people little treat this much fear fear that issue and fortunately over the years we've batted -- probably a fifty tanks that are. Twenty times bigger than that now so. It's pretty amazing we haven't had to worry so much about that but. You know our growth has been. He interest staying. We've grown. When we started 89 it was maybe there was slightly over a hundred -- up from. You know forty breweries in 1982. I think. So there weren't that many buries it started in that first fifteen years of the movement that. We kind of came in right at the right time and really my idea was always that Kansas City was most important market. And if that went well we would then you know expand. Out concentric plea. Which is really pretty much of our game plan that we executed for many many years and and then about a guess when we built the new brew house back in. 2005. We can change some of our strategy because we started our smokestack. That was -- five. -- 05 ha -- seems they have I haven't noticed yesterday and I'm not only start -- -- I'm gonna take years of us -- at the small. Yeah. -- -- And so then all of a sudden we had you know not that the Beers are regular Beers that we -- -- fantastic Beers right there more. What I call every -- Beers you know Beers do you enjoy all the time and you know you don't have to think a lot about it. Drink beer and enjoy him. And which you know in 1989 those fears were crazy you know people but only what is this -- -- get that. By 2005. Those fears were. In the craft brewing world considered fairly mainstream beer. And being fought over at stores in and I mean -- that's then defending gets -- publicity here is a waiting list well on the smokestacks here man and the idea behind that is just make truly. Credible world class very experimenting. Different Beers. You know there are a lot of our smokestack line or Belgian centric type Beers. Even having said that that they're very they're totally American Beers. I was always kind of a Belgian light Belgian style Beers I hired. My head -- Steven Powell's. Thirteen fourteen years ago and you know it's kind of sad because I wanted to make Belgian Beers -- rehired in that we were so busy. Making more. We -- -- oil and all the other things we may even have time to do it. So when the end really until 2005 that we started and now that's a meaningful part of our business and gives us much more reach and both say. Both local but. National and even international. Market let's talk about -- is. I was Salt Lake City I think a -- couple years ago president who played golf is out there it's you know mountains it's beautiful. Which by the way it's really cheap play golf on their public courses you know it's I think it's something be said about public golf courses that. On -- -- out there to bar and they had the royals game on on the TV. At this pizza place like horrible for a week now is like Thomas awesome and I heard about for friends in DC do you guys were in the DC market and you know take -- serve at the White House at one point and I was curious because I headed insulate so what what states arguing how many states that she has drawn into because and when that really start happening. Well like you -- in 2005. We started to expand from just a central midwest which was the only markets we are and and and so we started. Chip -- out and to some markets. California. DC markets were some of the early markets relate to and it's interesting though. We were only in about. May be 25 states 24 states. And now with our partnership -- -- -- because they were in almost all fifty states I think all but three and so now we have access to market and in what a much larger marketplace and what other markets have been successful. In the United States well. Still I mean. Successes that it's -- net interest seeing how do you quantify that mom. You know I think with the smokestack we've been very successful particularly with -- seven almost all markets. Colorado has been huge for us. It's really a nice piece of our business and and then there's a ton of competition there. Right California's been did the DC market's been excellent for us that is all these old -- guys and I'll work up there I -- -- -- barrels up there there -- go ahead. But that its interest thing in in in certain parts sit certain markets we have to lead with different Beers. That's another thing that's happening in the beer industry that is. Its interest -- and it's challenging and that is just proliferation of so many very soon. And ultimately. I'm a believer that. People are brand loyal. In the year where in the old days you had drink Budweiser your whole life from -- I started drinking and over time he died. Now I think we're -- when we say brand loyal we're talking maybe a guy drinks five different Beers. And in and there are people that just wanna experiment alive and that's really what the consumer wants today. I think we have something like 35 -- that we make. Sometimes only one time a year. But between the year round Beers and all the other things we do and it's really because the consumer demand. So yeah I -- on that topic I I think that you guys unquestionably -- -- one of the most iconic Kansas City brands. At least in recent years for sure. What is that taken severe meaning that because it's a way you stand out and a market for sure what advice you have for people can name it and there you know I. Think like I said to our business plan was always that local was most important. And so we put a lot of effort into Kansas City and end. Really. Like -- -- local isn't everything you have to also make the good product you know you have to have great beer so. You know I think we have a great local penetration and we have really. National. Recognition as a brewer and so. And that comes from just a lot of hard work in a lot of paying attention to the details of your business whether it be beer or something else I think ultimately. You know you have to kind of strive. To deal that you know be the best. In the world. But maybe you have a local. You know. A local strategy I remember that I remember when I was in college as Saint Louis University I couldn't even get a Miller -- in a bar. Any Andy Miller -- was yeah I mean think about now like. When you travel around the country -- give him boulevard and most states in Allen and seem to be more obviously that. It is kind of cool feeling when you see your local product and other people are drinking in other areas I don't Ankiel is. I agree and I think you know mid westerners I mean I grew up in the midwest and we like winners we like you don't. We're always I think we have a little bit of a chip on her shoulders some time Berkshire we -- the East Coast of the West Coast but frankly. Those of us who live here love it and I think we're proud when we see local companies do good in in a more of the national international basis we. It's bright and ourselves once a while which is one of the things may Wii is TSE's don't do enough -- and slower travel and yes. As well John we're gonna come back for another -- Melanie get into in the next -- -- kind of the future of the company kind of the partnership with Duvall. Any kind of where you guys are growing internationally to no -- you talked about that in the past in the end. -- touch on. The -- -- glass and what you do with that as well. And hopefully at some more. Some more quick questions Irish on FaceBook and Twitter to some of my followers and that's mixing questions that I cared for John there you know there -- also falsely John don't worry about it but so that's probably why I had some that. Requested me to get on Twitter something -- probably probably about -- yeah it's going to be a lot of fun thanks for joining us on today's entrepreneurs. Casey -- guys we right back after the break on became easy business channel 1660. And. Welcome back to the entrepreneur KC show I'm your host Jason girl wants a special guest host air cool -- for a third segment today -- do a great job. And then I guess this year but he may not keep it warm and a you get your sporting -- shirt on now you've but not too poorly as -- other Mecca of soccer in America in got to go to Seattle to you I've been there it's pretty sweet you know him. Instant -- when you get that experience and I think you know sporting must like boulevard you know -- John here today those iconic brands in Kansas City and think on on their masters I think. Chinese senator midwesterners like winners. -- not like him. So it's still the other royals are OK right now in the middle when this year tell you know everything -- cannot period as it exists. I'm John McDonnell welcome back to the show I wanna talk -- you didn't she -- your partnership that develops we content. Briefly touched on Ellis candidate. A watershed moment I'm assuming for you in and carry your business the U groove. Deciding to do that and kind of wanted to get into what actually. What is the partnership and then how -- kind of came to that decision. Yeah well you know. I think it you know I never really thought much about selling the very at all until just a couple of years ago and also -- like. Oh my gosh you know when my punitive and I was always one of those people that made fun of exit strategies. Is -- level. You know he should have an exit strategy particularly when you're just getting into business and because if you think in about how you gonna get out when you're getting and you probably won't make it. And so I took off way too long and then when I started looking I really. Looked at a variety of things -- what I really wanted was a partner that or somebody that I thought would help us continue to grow the business. And you know obviously I could've picked a big partner like an ABI Miller Hoover's or something I think they would have interest it. I really looked around the world and new. Of -- mark which. Is even though there are a bigger -- and we are they're not that much bigger -- -- maybe three or four times as big as boulevard than -- in the US boulevard is probably three or four times as big as they are. So they just made a lot of sense to I think. Help their business which. You know I always say people in the beer business. To hold more guy probably has one of the highest reputations of any brewery in the world. And I think just the fact that and I think boulevard also has that kind of reputation. So I think the two brands together and and I always say to people. You know we've got a lot of opportunity I think with the joining of the two companies and that opportunity is only opportunity. And so it's gonna take some months and years to figure out exactly how will go forward because. It's important for each -- to tell its story and now. In what's neat about -- more guided is a series of breweries but they're all very independent. You know with a little bit of a global oversight. That allows I think a lot of opportunity for each one of these for he's weathered the you know only -- out in New York. That's a fantastic little craft for in the US. Obviously do whole leaf moans. -- -- A lot of the other breweries -- and they operate these -- very independently. And so there's sort of this global. I think vision. With -- very local. Access to market. -- the in choosing him and that happened obviously the reaction Kansas City was mixed I think people were like. Our local brand is an ongoing international. But I think I admit I was you not to were two weeks ago. Had a great smokestacks or -- direct minutes are out there. -- but already I was seeing construction happening and you know long term what we've heard is. In an impact here for jobs he has a -- and more fermentation tanks and so talk a little bit about -- locally Kansas City. You know I mean obviously yeah. Yeah I mean we need to grow we re at capacity limitations I think that's one of the reasons I did the thing with Duvall was. You know starent go into the bank and borrow and another 25 million dollars wouldn't exactly. Making me feel so great so. You know I think. And yeah they're jumping all over it and we're very. Excited about -- five which is the expansion you're talking about if you don't -- boulevard. We've already taken down one building. Within a temporary waste water treatment facility. Entered carrying the other building down and then will start construction and should be. By this time next year rule of six or twelve do big for manners. While going to end you were obviously. That area. -- were were were big mean there are big you know -- does with Casey coming growing need downtown court over. Neighborhoods livable -- been -- -- big city you know having that feel of a very you know. It's -- if it is collisions like we say not for ownership where you can see people on the street and talk to them. You were one of the first people out there that area I mean that was those kind of leap of faith for you right. You know the you know my history I grew up in small town I've really never lived in the suburbs anywhere well my parents would withdraw. For one year my senior year high school bit. And I love the city you know I think city's very important thing and I think density is she each we need more density novelist -- And I think. All the time people are saying well we we we don't want it to dance that. Go to Brooklyn go to New York City I mean that's exciting and vibrant and you can BC baby strollers and every kind of person and I think I'm a real believer that you know the more diversity we can have in our city and I'm really excited about Kansas City I think in the last. Particular. Five or six years we've really started to do some cool things I'm excited we're. Finally putting in some some this streetcar I hope that leads to a lot more -- Transit. I'm a huge believer in transit the automobile is not the future. I mean it's kill -- I don't care how efficient they get it right this this hell bent. Nature to just build more roads. I don't get it that it's financial maybe it's just that. It's -- economic recovery won't exactly tigers' young men. And is used as -- talent around so much the city's common currency in them I mean is or take away and at some some senators and it right they can seize a learn from is there. Maybe even a better question is what's key is these secret sauce that we really need to triple down on. Well I mean I think that every city has developed their own thing I think you can go look at other things in these models but ultimately wanna be your own thing and and so I think you know there's it but I hate and there's a lot of Smart people here. And I think there's a lot of you know people would have a lot of good ideas. I think. You know very entrepreneurial I think Kauffman center a lot of things that -- Tom McDonald stone with DST and and a lot of the stuff that they've done is just fantastic in Kansas City. And you don't. I always kind of believe that you should work on things that you can make a difference -- not the things you can't he can't worry about that. Mean and that's why like -- glass and thinks that -- thing for the brewery I'm glad that we were able to do that and and get it off the ground and it's doing really -- work really well and we're looking at. You know I we've had a lot of interest from all over the country. Looking at our model. And that model came from really saying what's right thing to do with the last and that when that happened in John and in in the course of the business needed replies. Well I'm not very Smart so -- have to think about things on the all time and you know actually my guts and I started working on report last ten years ago we do know is going to be called report last. It was this idea that we can actually make room -- -- bottles of cancer and because at that time we knew all the class was going to the landfill what was being collected maybe two or 3%. And what does -- -- city that. To what to make your own. Your own Bierbauer well Ole if let's put it this way had we done what we're thinking about it and put in -- -- intensity we would be broke to. I wouldn't be sitting here and do it as a Smart so dessert glasses become kind of a commodity and there's only. Like the beer business there's only one or two bigger too big players. That kind of control. But glass has an amazing amount of value in the fact. That. Every time we don't -- purpose of a beer bottle. In melted to make it into a new beer -- -- fiberglass Batt insulation. -- you lose the value of that which is the energy it took to make it in the first place because it's about 40% less energy to -- no class. A second time. And so that's the value and so there's great value to recycle. It's an interesting business because. Our current customers switcher bottle manufactures and fiberglass manufactures would buy all the glass we can -- it. It's just a matter get the. What the economics of that is do we see a future where -- and on its picked up in the curbside energy that I mean I know demands are typically fall. As. You know our. That's what's really unique about ripple and what's really -- in Kansas City we didn't have. What they call single stream recycling in Kansas City which is a really good thing. Definitely by industries said they started doing a back in the early nineties he said no. This is a mess it devalues our other materials. And the glass that we get it is bad because is so contaminated. And that's really what allowed -- to start here. And I'm a big believer that it doesn't matter how glasses collected. It can be collected curbside but it has to be its own street has to be independently. And there's. People and you saw up in the north west that are set up these systems. And we're. Really big believers that glass should be its own commodity. When it comes recycling because if it's not. It can't be profitable the process Newton. And if he goes in with everything else that evaluates those other valuable resources attention. Speaking of -- glass again of that and in the -- -- -- John you actually live in the very low point. I don't know that I remember that you really feel -- as a dedicated entrepreneur their lady. And gentlemen you know my son. Who's 23. He was born in the jury in 1990 and we lived there until 1992. So. He's only kid I think I know that can honestly say was born and number. That's interest in Israel is saying we're targeted John Miguel the founder of bull harboring country company. John and you touched on the Duval partnership them. If you were gonna partner with some I'm excited it was some from Belgium because Belgium beer is. Is one of my favorites it is it's I've been over there before Erica went to. Brutish and two. Brussels and and I mean the bureau theirs is fabulous so. It added that those medical would echo your decision the Belgian beer Belgian company. I've always been fascinated with Belgian girl so I mean that's kind of what got me into it. I don't know if I told the story bit you know before I started agree I was in Paris with my wife we -- -- trip to Europe. It well as my -- time we. We're here trying to presser there yeah I -- -- yeah she'd like to go to museums. And I can do about one museum -- day and so. I stumbled into a Belgian beer bar that's still there is just there a couple of years ago when I was in France. But. I went there and I. -- every day and you know I just there were probably a hundred different birdies with three or four different Beers each and that is -- 400 Beers I turned to get through. And I was just amazed at how. Great those fears were and how unique and different Hayward and at that time you know I thought Heineken was something special more -- -- was something special and now. And that sort is really where I got the idea of the light bulb really went on in my head that said while we are. We are seriously lacking in Kansas City and we need surgery that makes -- like so and. I wish my mouth forty seconds left of all the children. You've made all these -- which one is your favorite. -- there was -- us. Impossible question and I guess I can tell you might go to is always Phil hill and -- -- Porter also is in there goes -- I love or takes and then. But a lot of these other Beers really exciting. And can now it's a bit tales from the negative. New York and sergeant I'm one of those as a nice to just one round try Ramallah on but again they're -- awesome. I agree I agree John now we're gonna come back for one more segment thanks for joining us today for the full hour. We'll be right back on the entrepreneur KC show thanks for listening ever gone. Can you connect with me on Twitter at Jason -- and an entrepreneur -- grip that. Russians. Welcome back to DR turner KC show on chasing grow alongside air cool slate here four last segment today with John McDonald -- Founder of the boulevard bring company had been a fun hour Safire gained -- and I had a lot more questions ago so Lola. Let's get started here nastiness. John I I got some requests via Twitter and FaceBook and one of the questions I got was. Are you still involved in the murdering presses at the very -- come up with some of the new -- those from Todd Mac and good friend -- -- And it it's itching to me because I -- I really was curious about that it's in -- you're the brains behind the operation I mean do you talk with your brew master and on occasion. You know I do I mean I've got a lot of ideas that I pick up from time to time -- jotted down and you know getting them to actually do it these days is -- tough it. I've lost little clout with them that it's neat I'm working on. A beer idea. Enter the 25 anniversary thing that we're doing with O'Dell brewing company on four columns so -- and I've kind of been -- the recipe together and we'll have our brewers helpless little bit with that but that's been fun to actually sit down and talk about what kind of beer we might want to. Try and so that's been fun and then yeah I have ideas from time to time on. I'm particularly interest in these days in lower alcohol Beers with nice flavor. Because I think it's beer is a consumption thing I think it's nice to drink 2345. Years. And the course he's big alcoholic -- -- you know. It -- stories -- yeah yeah that's my past experience. Yeah well as the smoke -- there's a very strong smokestack on Syria that can't think -- -- -- it was around the holidays -- -- Christmas party I -- Thanks Anaheim had no intent that it was another and I'll think of her and -- club it was very strong -- -- while running around out there trying to I had to those Jon and it was a and the longhorns with you both probably and a third went to talk about that. I I think this enemy status of this size of your industry is really fascinating -- talk about Summers. You know what who who people would see as competitors but you really aren't clamoring with there is there ever a three -- notes are -- -- thank you must. Well there's a lot of effort you know there's just a lot of great brewers Teresa in the US today you know we -- we just did this boulevard do you thing which. You know. Was kind of scary to me we've been talking about -- for ten years doing our own kind of event we just finally got around to -- we invited I think forty birdies from. All the local regional ones and then some from outside like. -- from Russian river Cayman. Steve wrestler from Sierra Nevada and was great to see all these people and you know what. They loved Kansas City a lot of men and then here but when we bring brewery people here to Kansas City they just love it today they love Marbury they love Kansas City. And yes -- question. Us and just eyes -- there's a particular Bernie you really might -- -- -- semi machine and you know I think kid around. You know there's a lot we've done a lot of collaborations you know we did one with -- summary of rock from -- we've done with the sheets. And we've done -- with pretty things people Upton. In the northeast. I think. You know. I think Stephen in -- for Russian river they because they do a lot of they've. Started really a lot of this sort of sour. Harder -- styles that are very popular and I think we're doing a lot of that now too so I think. You know -- some that's some Stephen and then he might wanna do I'd like to see that yeah. I was excited -- -- -- playing Eleanor here and I Kansas City at yeah at the boulevard a fast and so boulevard it was a guess first year you think. I think letting it go but I heard it was not. I guess I could tell you guys -- at my age I kind of hate those kind of didn't -- like I know there's more than eight people in the room I'm in my life loving it. And I had a good time so that told you that I think it was pretty success. A year on that bridge -- -- -- and -- festival which and I'll you know on the on again next year and I am trying. Hide a monster premieres -- -- in Kansas -- you have like 2500 your closest friends up there that I had to be pretty. On the moment. It was pretty crazy but he knows I think if that was really good because I thought it was really well attended -- thought people were really you know and I had good behavior they were. You know kids it was there was some for everybody you know it was kind of a horrible. Little bit of a carnival atmosphere and set the inner city. Food was fantastic I think a lot of taller sponsors all the people would put a lot of work and to put that have been on really. Did a great job. Yes and those that and go I mean I can't endorse enough for next Jeremy and then the makers it's they had their on creating stuff the -- trucks. I got to see. And these amazing bands I never heard a lot of them aren't in the march 4 march a man was this just crazy shows really fun and entertaining -- did all -- awesome. They -- John talked is for not for -- standpoint of what advice you would give maybe some wanted to get into the beer industry or bring industry. They're sitting in their house right now thinking -- I wanna be number I wanna have its work for beard company what -- -- what advice would you have for you know. US interest in Gaza. You know with all these neighbors started out there still people is coming out of the group -- won the server C it's -- locally 20 yeah -- the city there's a movement I think that's fantastic for Kansas City I think it's been. I think it's one of those things were what they say -- warships. Rising and rising tide and and so I think. As long as yours dedicated and committed to making really drink beer. As you know how Leno went back to before is it can't just beat local -- you've got to make beer that. You hope. Somebody. In another part of the world would just love because if you don't. The local thing only do you so far yeah so I think really if your intent is to make just fantastic here. And I think that is where a lot of these startups. You know it'll be. It'll be great for Kansas City and like I said I think. The movement of craft beer. Is a great model for so many other types of industries that it doesn't have to be just these giant. Impersonal kind. Businesses can be. It's things in the smaller way even someday I hope we make glass bottles cans is that -- that be a Smart talk. Talk a little bit more about the -- everything industry I mean you we talked briefly before that the show amount your involvement on the east bottoms area in. And I think there's a ton of this there's this huge maker movement in Kansas City obviously. There is you know like you know some ten years ago or so I bought the old high and bottle shock which was big pro built in nineteen no one really cool. And they had a big it 1903. They moved it within 1890s they had a place called electric park. And it was a like big beer gardens amusement park in the water rise and you know family kind of thing that actually trolleys from downtown winner. It was really cool thing and I think when I bought that building ten years ago if somebody said well -- the east bottoms is gonna come back Sunday. You know they thought I was just totally crazy but you know the local pigs down there now they're doing great things you know we're working on behind building. You know I think there's just a lot of opportunity down here and I think he got to look it's not so different than selfless boulevard was 25 years ago. So I think. It's great when you get a catalyst in business can be I think a catalyst for social. It should be I think you we kind of touched on this earlier but I think a lot of young people today they wanna work live and play yeah. Close you know close to where they're -- But I agree they talked about. Global. And every tell me you've had success in the Scandinavian countries touch on -- little bit is so surprising to me. Yeah you know particularly Sweden and in Norway. Our big craft beer markets. And they're just -- there that they kind of state run stores. But. They love American craft beer in Indy we're seeing -- real. Spike in American craft beer in you know France Germany. Even Belgium and places so there's just a lot. As interest you there. You know what's cool about American rumors we were American. We got no real history and bring laughed much too much you know we've only been around for couple hundred years. And we're incredibly experimental. You know even -- more god. I mean they do a lot of cool things. But it's didn't it's more traditional things that they you know and so I think they look we're learning a lot from them I think they're learning a lot. From us. You know some of the stuff there. Doing policeman's for example. With open fermentation is just fantastically interesting to me and I think while Stephen probably wouldn't agree but -- He'll come around one of these days but I don't think it's crazy to think we might have opened for matters one day here and it's time so. They John -- quickly another one quick cook's question Torre from a listener when are you bringing back attending Yale. Well. I'd like to have your -- now is my brainchild. And so it was an idea it was two point 7% now call. So -- 32 -- And I thought was a great idea but. He another twelve people who drank it and unfortunately couldn't keep their brand of floats. But looked a -- know that a young enjoyed it done. You know. What you guys and it's -- partnership Steve have a sporting gala saw. Is that's on the mild to do more in the future with like. A sinking off pharaohs like me a wrestler dale for the chiefs -- so I mean it it's -- you guys are doing that that obviously brings to brains together and collaboration and I haven't tried yet that I'm looking for a trend. It's great it's really nice is like 107 will definitely quite a bit lower alcohol really -- to -- him. Get about three minutes -- John let's talk about the future. You know. You know what's next for you -- mean you still look young naive and obviously your try thinking about the future family and you know what forty Tennessee this company news in the next ten to fifteen years. No I'm really excited about a lot of things I mean this is kind of like. You know -- It's gonna be me right now really. You know still very involved with the brewery kind of as much as I wanna be and really. I really like these guys they've been just great partners they're all just fantastic there's couple -- now. You know our people to go to Belgium I think all of -- the excitement. Learning what they've got to teach us and they are I think also learning stuff from us and the combinations of our sales forces and stuff like that I think you know all anytime you do this kind of thing it can be. IC but I think this has been 89%. Fantastic and I think there's going to be some casualties. But ultimately. You know I think will be it'll be a -- company going down the road and so many but for me. You know it's kind of like. I think about it but I don't have to worry about it and that's a wonderful thing you know to get out from under that. And I love thinking about it because I've been thinking about it for 25 years so it. You know it's exciting and -- glasses incredibly exciting to me in really wanna do something in that area and then east bottoms. Real estate development there is also some very interest -- me. It's it's really interest he's taken this massive -- that I think a lot of people contemplate all the time from. Hobbyists -- professional and almost back to -- again which is kind of funny. Witten -- advice do you have for people out there who are really passionate about something they're making right now on and looking at that situation and push all their chips and in the senate table. Well you know I mean idea. Have been lucky very fortunate in that you know I put a great team together and boulevard and ripple. You know we've had great people would've you know work together to make it go and really if you know that's my devices surround yourself with. Realize which -- not -- -- Realize what you get that and are good people who do the stuff you're not do that and that's a good chance you'll be successful. And don't have an exit strategy or when -- -- and -- volunteers right at street well I don't know. Don't really -- your business right yet the journey it's a journey you know people ask me a lot of times you know it. Really the most fun thing was built in victory and build business and you know going through all those -- so don't don't. The miserable while you're going through it because. That's the best part. I think that's the biggest difference I see in -- less entrepreneurs verses the West Coast Oscars is that. They were going to passion about that business and it's a huge difference. I agree and you John takes on the chained dumbing down the founder of -- harboring come there were all excited. And happy for you that you've done well and we love the grants or appreciate come on the Kouchner Casey showed that thanks for having -- guys great to see again don't you work. Thanks -- -- governor Casey -- guys we'll see you next week. Have a good.